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Hi Alan,
Did you get your data from Patrick Hamilton Baskervill's BASKERVILLE GENEALOGY or Ormerod's HISTORY OF CHESHIRE? P.H.Baskervill got his lineage data from Ormerod I believe. Anyway, I am a descendant in the Old Withington line down to my grandmother Mary Elizabeth Baskerville of Sumner Co., Tenn.
I would like to know where James's data came from that connects Martel de Bacqueville with the Hereford Baskervilles. From SOC-GEN-MEDIEVAL group, there isn't even a consensus that the Baskervilles of either Hereford or Cheshire descended from Nicholas de Bacqueville. There certainly seems a lot to indicate it is true, but how to prove it. Of course there is also no proof for many of the other well-known names, but people don't question many of them. But Baskerville? They say, e.g., the Baskervilles could have merely come from a town Bacqueville, not necessarily be descended from Baudri's Nicholas. (I have recently found another town called Bacqueville in Normandy). Also, one person says that the niece of Gunnora who married Nicholas would not necessarily have been the daughter of Gunnora's brother Herfast, even if she was Gunnora's niece. More recently I have heard that someone feels it is more reasonable to believe that the girl who married Nicholas was probably Gilbert de Brionne's niece, and that Baudri probably married a niece of Gunnora, instead of the other way around! Of course, the dates for them would work out better this way. Will we ever know?
My feeling for the Baskervilles/Baskervyles is that if they were merely serfs in Normandy, how could they become knights so quickly in England, and/or available to marry into the more prominent families, not to mention nobility or royalty on the part of the Hereford ones. It doesn't make sense. However, wasn't it years before the Baskervilles came to prominence at Eardisley?
How did Nicholas' William Martel be found to have a son Robert? I would like to know about that. That would go far to proving the connection. As far as Sir John de Baskervyle of Cheshire, I feel he was probably a younger son in the later family and also probably had some disagreement with the family that caused him to want to spell his name differently and move to Cheshire. Just recently, in working on de Camvilles to try to figure out where Robert de Camville got Old Withington to begin with, I wonder if either Sir John de Baskervyle or his son could have married a de Camville. Has anyone ever worked on finding Robert de Camville who gave the grant of one half of Old Withington to Sir John?
Kay
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